Optimizing Sales and Marketing Data, with Susan Walsh

Episode 228

To enjoy the wondrous technologies we have today, we first had to grasp the science behind them. Science is built on good data—but did you know that bad data delayed one of the most significant inventions of the last 150 years? The engine at the heart of every plane, train, and automobile was held up for decades simply because of how records were kept.

For millennia, we’ve known that combusting fossil fuels releases immense power. By the 1700s, scholars realized that if the gases trapped within those fuels could be ignited predictably in a chamber, they could create an internal combustion engine. To do that, however, you’d need to know the exact nature of every gas—the fuel composition, the air-to-fuel ratio, and the necessary heat resistance. Without those specifics, an engine stays on the drawing board.

That didn’t stop scholars from trying. They studied gases under various pressures and charted their results in massive tables. Robert Boyle recorded values when temperature was constant; Jacques Charles did the same for volume. But despite all this data, we weren’t getting closer to a functional engine. Using tables to capture every possible variable was inefficient—we needed a universal rule.

In the early 1800s, physicist Émile Clapeyron compiled these century-old tables with recent findings from Amedeo Avogadro. By consolidating these scattered sources, he realized they all pointed to a single law governing gas behavior that had been buried in the noise. This was the Ideal Gas Law. With it, engineers could finally calculate exactly what an engine needed, moving from theory to the rapid production of the vehicles we use today.

Your marketing and sales data is likely in the same shape as those old tables. It may contain breakthrough ideas for growth, but they will remain hidden as long as your data is disorganized. Just as it worked for the scientists of the industrial revolution, once your data is in order, the insights will follow.

Today’s guest will convince you that your data must be in a scientific state. She is a recognized expert in data classification, cleaning, and transformation. Known as the Classification Guru, her blogs, books, and talks have earned her over 43,000 followers on LinkedIn. We’re discussing her 2026 book, Optimizing Sales and Marketing Data.

Let’s go to Guildford, England, to talk with Susan Walsh.

 

Chapter Timestamps

00:00 Intro

02:34 Meet Susan Walsh

03:31 Why Clean Data

04:27 Blunders And Backlash

06:32 Ethics And Accountability

09:30 Hidden Costs ROI

12:49 Duplicates Fraud Waste

14:29 Segmentation People Problems

18:21 Taxonomy And Standards

21:25 Master Lists Automation

23:23 Data Code Framework

25:56 Spot Checks Pivot Tables

27:17 Excel Cleanup Toolkit

30:20 Revenue Advantage AI

33:12 Where to get a hold of Susan/her book

 

Links to everything mentioned in the show are on the Funnel Reboot site’s page for this episode.

 



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Paid Traffic for Non-Profits, with Sean Moher

Paid Traffic for Non-Profits, with Sean Moher

Episode 227

How do you amplify a message when you can’t lean on traditional justifications like “because we’ll make a profit out of this”?

In the for-profit world, the justification for marketing spend is straightforward: you put money in to get more money out. But how do you amplify a message when you can’t lean on traditional bottom-line justifications? For non-profits, associations, and social enterprises, the “profit motive” is replaced by a mission, yet the fundamental challenge remains identical—you must find and keep your “customers,” whether they are donors, members, or beneficiaries.

Marketing in the non-profit sector isn’t just about “pulling heartstrings”; it is about solving a business problem using the same tools as the private sector. Whether you are a plumber looking for a lead or a foundation looking for a donor, revenue is the common denominator that keeps the lights on.

In this episode, we explore how organizations can move beyond “waiting to be found” by using paid traffic as an accelerant. We will dive into why Mission-Based organizations should look at paid Traffic. Specifically The Google Ad Grant program. 

Whether you are a for-profit marketer looking to apply your skills to a “3-dimensional” cause or a non-profit leader ready to fill your funnel, it’s time to stop treating marketing as an afterthought and start treating it as a vital utility.

Our guest is a marketing consultant who supports both for-profit and non-profit local service organizations. Through his agency, Harvest Demand, he blends smart digital strategies with practical storytelling to help these organizations grow. He also brings experience in search and AI optimization, as well as leveraging digital advertising, including managing ad grants for non-profits. In other words, Sean’s all about making a real impact for a variety of organizations.

Let’s talk with Sean Moher.

Timestamps/chapters:

00:00 Intro

01:41 Sean defines the Nonprofit Landscape

02:24 What Is Marketing Without Profit? “Finding and Keeping Customers”

03:13 The 3-Party Value Exchange: Mission-Based Value Beyond Transactions

07:06 Emotion vs. Action: Telling Stories That Still Drive Donations

08:02 Measurement Reality Check: Analytics, Funnels & the Awareness Gap

10:39 Why Paid Traffic Matters: Stop Waiting to Be Found

11:34 Google Ad Grant 101: $10K/Month in Search Ads (and Why It’s Not Magic)

14:01 Rules, “Loopholes” & Eligibility: What You Can (and Can’t) Advertise

15:54 Grant Limitations & Strategy: CPC Caps, Leftover Inventory & Testing in Parallel

18:20 AI as a Utility: Faster Research, Better Campaigns & Knowing Your Donor Avatar

23:34 Doing Pro Bono the Smart Way: Aligning with Interests, Boards & Real Impact

26:28 Where to Find Sean + Final Takeaways



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People and concepts mentioned in the show:

Sean’s agency: Harvest Demand

Sean on LinkedIn

How Non Profits & Charities Raise Awareness, Free Traffic & Funding From AI + Google Search

Harvest Demand Google Ad Grant Quick Guide

Depositioning, with Todd Irwin

De-positioning with Todd Irwin

Episode 226

Positioning is an element that’s so foundational to  Marketing, it’s taught in every introductory class alongside the “Four Ps” of marketing. Positioning is meant to describe the choices a brand makes to maximize how the market sees it. Positioning is very powerful because it can set perceptions that drive customer loyalty, strong demand, and the willingness to pay a premium price.

 

But if all this is true, then why is the landscape littered with examples of where brands have flopped—cases where brand positioning actually caused a product to fail?

 

Take Microsoft Zune: Because how people thought of MP3 players had already been set by Apple 

Colgate Frozen Entrees: Sure, both food and toothpaste enter our mouths, but other TV dinner brands don’t plant the taste of toothpaste in your head.

Harley-Davidson’s “Legendary” Cologne: People buy a fragrance for the impression they want to leave, not one whose name evokes burned rubber and gasoline.

Cosmopolitan Yogurt: There are plenty of brands in the dairy aisle. People didn’t think a fashion brand belonged there

Frito-Lay Lemonade: Marketing a salty snack and chasing it with a  “Thirst-quenching drink” strikes people as a cynical cash grab

The reason these brands flopped is they tried positioning themselves on a competitor’s turf. The correct way to position yourself is to start with customer needs and work outward from there. To do this right, we’ve got to flip the traditional concept on its head. Instead of positioning, the author we’re talking with today says we must deposition our brands. 

 

He is the founder and chief strategy officer of brand strategy firm Fazer. Over three decades, he has led strategy for Fortune 500 companies as well as venture-backed disruptors. His work has been featured in the New York times Forbes and MIT technology review. 

 

Let’s go now to New York City to speak with Todd Irwin.



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Chapter/Timestamps

00:00 What’s Wrong with Market Positioning

01:47 Introduction to Depositioning 

02:46 Concepts and Framework

08:02 Real-World Examples of Depositioning

14:58 Integration and Coherence in Branding

26:48 Conclusion and Where to Find More

People/Products/Concepts Mentioned in Show

De-Positioning, the book

Creativity, Inc. Book 

Fazer Agency

Todd on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddirwin/

De-positioning
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Tried and True Marketing Reads

Tried & True Mktg books

Episode 225

At the time I’m recording this it’s a new year. This is a typical time when people plan what they’re going to achieve fitness-wise, financially and professionally. If you’re working on that last one and wonder about what marketing reads you should try, I have some marketing books that could do just the thing. There are Five in all. – Let’s dive right in.



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Chapter Timestamps

00:00 Introduction and Overview

01:12 Book 1: Digital Body Language by Steven Woods

08:01 Book 2: Permission Marketing by Seth Godin

14:12 Book 3: Web Analytics 2.0 by Avinash Kaushik

19:55 Book 4: You Should Test That by Chris Goward

26:21 Book 5: Hacking Marketing by Scott Brinker

32:06 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

People and products mentioned in the episode: 

Digital Body Language by Steven Woods | Goodreads

Permission Marketing: Turning Strangers into Friends and Friends into Customers by Seth Godin | Goodreads

Web Analytics 2.0: The Art of Online Accountability and Science of Customer Centricity by Avinash Kaushik | Goodreads

You Should Test That: Conversion Optimization for More Leads, Sales and Profit or The Art and Science of Optimized Marketing by Chris Goward | Goodreads

Hacking Marketing: Agile Practices to Make Marketing Smarter, Faster, and More Innovative by Scott Brinker | Goodreads

I post all my personal reading at https://www.goodreads.com/heyglenns

Funnel Reboot Books-of-the-Month for 2026 are below, follow along and by sending me a question via the Get In Touch page, I’ll pose it to the author and get their response on the show.

January – Depositioning, Todd Irwin

February – Optimizing Sales and Marketing Data, Susan Walsh